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  1. C3ZR ONE

    C3ZR ONE Moderator

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    entropy- where's the pic at? As for knowing wether it's bad or not, here's a good piece of advice to remember.--- As you practice, bits and pieces of style will come to you and make your shit look alot better. When you see a jump in progression you'll be like "damn, that's hot!" which is cool, but keep it in perspective that it's really what you call "a personal best" and not neccesarilly big boy worthy yet. It's awsome to make progression, but always keep humble about it. Alot of kids hit a personal best and think they're ready to bomb the streets and make a fool outta themselves. They may be 10 times better then where they started, but they still wont get any love in the big leagues you know? You seem to have a good attitude, so I think you'll do alright. Just remember to keep a good attitude, and don't be impatient. Follow the montras "keep it simple" and you'll get there.

    There seems to be a minor backlash in some of the old school principles of progression lately. I hear kids sayin it's played out to repeatedly do blocks and simple letters, and just go bomb shit and learn on the way. Yeah, it's good to paint as you progress, but not in public. It's a disservice to the art and culture to get over anxious and mess shit up. And the boring foundational work of simples ARE A MUST. Jump into a wildstyle and it'll be wack. plus mastering a simple letter teaches you so much of what you can logically bulid on without akward wackness.

    That's about it. Now repost your pick! :D
  2. entropy

    entropy Member

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    C3ZR ONE : Thankyou very much for that, it cleared quite a few things up for me.

    And i know what you mean about painting, ive got a serious paint itch. Ive even bought a Montana marker, even though my handstyle is more wack than my throwie :p, but atleast it gives me a feel for how they work (never used such a large chisel tip)

    Heres the repost anyway


    Thanks again
  3. NiL

    NiL Elite Member

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    The purple and yellow thing just loose that, just work on your letters and shadwoing and what not. Block/bubble letters.
  4. C3ZR ONE

    C3ZR ONE Moderator

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    I'd say you're about at the same point as where everybody starts at. Simples are where you wanna go from here. Yes they're boring and I'm sure you'll wanna bust some wild shit, just do that for fun on the side, but really focus on basic letters if you wanna progress. You haven't really got a feel for the natural flow of the letter yet. That's what you want to build off of. I've said this b4 but think of letters as living organisms. Organisms that have a skeletal structure. They move in ways that are natural to their structure. If you bust a curve on a letter or add a lump in a spot that doesn't flow, the letter looks like it's got a broken limb, or a tumor. The flow of the letter is it's attitude. I think of letters as B-boys. They pop and lock and uprock, but they don't do the electric boogaloo. (That's a common mistake that begginers make where they give the letters all super sharp pointy corners... :p )

    Basics just show you how the Caveman letter struts. Then you evolve it into the Rick Jaaaames!.... Maybe not the Rick James, but you get my drift.

    Note to everybody- Try not to post flicks in here, it's for disscussion. Entropy did, but that was my bad, I told him too. ;) I'll delete it later. Peeeeace- Ceeeezah!
  5. entropy

    entropy Member

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    So, to use your organism analogy, I gotta keep falling on my face before i realise to lean back a bit and put my heel down first, and once i figure out its heel first, i can start skipping, running and jumping ?

    ie. does all this just come naturally, and i should just have some faith in the process ?

    Thanks again though
  6. uhhh

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    well, for a while you will, theoretically be falling on your face. but thats part of getting better. at a certain point, if you do simples, your simples will start to look decent, to where your more just... skinning your knee instead of falling on your face. and then itll build form there. but you absoluetly HAVE to commit to practicing simples only, or at least the most, for a good while. and you'll know when your ready to move on. you'll just think "hmm, i could bend it here" and such and it'll look good and just build and build on itself.
  7. entropy

    entropy Member

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    Okay last nagging post on this subject... i promise. :unsure:
    When you say simples do you mean simple BLOCK LETTERS and dont even think about individuality or style yet ?
    Or do i go for something like what meaner1 is doing on page 1882 of the tot black books section ?
    and if the former, should colours, shadows and 3d come before trying to add style ?

    Sorry, im even starting to annoy myself :p
    But i do, honestly, appreciate the honest critisism and advice
  8. uhhh

    uhhh Elite Member

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    dont worry about it.
    and for now, yes block letters, like whats on your keyboard. and for awile, no, dont think about adding stuff. but it will get boring so feel free to play around a little on the side, just make sure block letters are your main focus. what meaner is doing is what you should be doing to. just try and clean it up. relaly make it EXACTLY like what you see on your keyboard, make your letters the same width, height etc. style should come before coloring and effects. and ass your letters get better, you will expierment with coloring and eventually get better at it along with better letters. but you defiently have the right attitude. just keep sketching and everything will come with time.
  9. d_g

    d_g Elite Member

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    While we're on the topic,

    I must have done hundreds of simples and now I'm just starting to tweak my letters out. Even now doing simples I still learn something new about the letters each time.

    I think everyone seems to look at letters as something extremely simple because we all use them so often, but to me every letter, no matter how simple, is a peice of art in itself.

    Don't mind me, I;ve ben on the tequila.

    NICCSACC Banned

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    try Fab Five Freddy...hes said to be an important figure of the graff culture within the hip hop community. [/b][/quote]
    yo fab 5 freddy dosent even rap and if he did it would have been in 1980.

    chek out wrong side of the tracks by ARTIFACTS. they talk about bombing also chek out big juss, co flow, aesop rock, etc... theres a FEW OUT THERE. holla
  11. sky 5

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    YEAH NICCSACC IS BACK!!!!!!!! yo i was really bummed when you stopped coming around man . . i hope you got some new hottness to show us . . .
  12. bouncingsoul

    bouncingsoul Elite Member

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    Dude, that's pretty deep. It's awesome
  13. DJLotus

    DJLotus Senior Member

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    Yo what you think of my new name "soke9"
    Soke is the english meaning for a Japanese term meaning "head master of a style" (especially a style of martial arts).
  14. ras

    ras Banned

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    hah headmaster of style .... thats kinda kool....having a name that has a differ meaning in a differ language ;) ...
  15. Mach

    Mach Member

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    yeah im just startin out in coloring just sketches and stuff like that on paper and i look at other peoples really good stuff and whenever i color in theres slight overlapping and with the pros n stuff its all perfectly one color like it was computerized (but werent)
    any tips??
  16. inkbits

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    Mach: If I understand correctly you mean like a solid colour rather then sketchy? That comes down somewhat to what pens/pencils/solids you use but with any media a good idea is to allways colour in a circular motion to try and avoid streaking, and if using a non-opaque media (like coloured pencil) start light and work the colour up to be darker. The darker you go at the start of a section the more likely streaking will happen and the harder it will be to sustain the colour/pen pressure. With pencil you can also use two very similar colours layed over one another which also helps to hide streaking (slightly darker colour first then shade over the whole area with slightly lighter colour).

    If I mis-understood and you mean staying in the lines, that comes down to pen control.
  17. shamee1991

    shamee1991 Elite Member

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    hey i need some help i got dolla fo buyin pens i dunno what to can any one tell me?
  18. ras

    ras Banned

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    i aske this in the black book thread but dint get any replies...

    are ShinHan Touch Twin marker's any good bor black book drawing's and othere stuff ? .... thank's ;)
  19. capo93

    capo93 Senior Member

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    yo does anyone kno about how much one can of montana paint will cover??
  20. glass

    glass Senior Member

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    hey i just started with this and was wodering if anybody could give me some feed back

    i know i have a long way to go to be as good as some of the other guys on here

    i could just use some advise on the best way to get better at sketching and working on letters