hahaha that sucks. thanks for the crits though. i'll keep workin on it. teze - your tag is always hot. the bottom SAIN looks better than the top one (mainly the S) but the top E is better than the bottom. siran - i would say to make a basic tag. all even sized, simple letters, then start tweakin from there. the I with the big circle for the dot needs work. just find a different way to dot it or capitalize it. and yeah curves, curves.